DC Entertainment's Geoff Johns Slams Marvel; Offers Future Movie Strategy

WTF is DC doing??!!

I just want to say that DC had their heroes under 1 umbrella for years! and they never could establish a crossover univers, Im giving MARVEL a big salute for showing some BIG ASS BALLS for getting the crossover thing going in the movies!! dc is still stuck in solo projects MARVEL just went and did crossovers!

So if you ask me, Marvel is bringen what every fanboy wants, all your Favourite Heroes to the big screen in a action pack adventure!! and dc they just whant to have well developed characters! well you know what, If i whant well developed characters i will pick up a BOOK by Richard Selzer or Jonathan Franzen! Its a COMIC for god sake
Have the dc folks lost theyr minds!! at least me as a marvel fan got to see all of them in one movie! so all you DC fans cant keep your well developed characters, Im going to the movie to watch a COMICBOOK MOVIE!!! made for COMICBOOK FANS!!

• Hypocrite

  Zeeguy | 10.01.11 11:41:15 PM

  Your argument makes the least amount of sense possible. Basically, you've just criticized the exact same method that Marvel used themselves. The Avengers movie is something they've been building up to for years, ever since '08 when Iron Man and Incredible Hulk came out. You know why? Because they wanted to give each of the Avengers their own movies, which is where Thor and Captain America: First Avenger came from. So basically, you're just being a hypocrite and a DC hater.
  
  As a DC and a Marvel fan, yeah, I would like to see DC do EXACTLY THE SAME thing Marvel did and introduce their characters in their own separate movies before throwing them together in a Justice League movie. If they just jump into a JLA movie, it'll feel cheap and rushed, as if these characters don't deserve the respect of being established in their own right. And yeah, these are CHARACTERS, they have their own distinct personalities and histories. Marvel understood that, that's why they introduced them in their own movies before making Avengers, and so does DC. And it really sounds to me that your an immature Marvel fanboy who doesn't have any respect for any of the characters or understand what comic-book storytelling really is.

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DC does have a better track record

I'm a HUGE marvel fan. Their characters and stories are far superior to DC's. But when it comes to movies Marvel is lagging far behind. Statistically speaking, marvel gets it right about 1 out of 10 movies where DC is more like 5 out out 10. Neither are great records but DC is infinitely more likely to make something decent.

• DC does have a better track record

  KevinRS | 02.16.11 11:08:35 AM

  Personally, I would have to disagree.
  While I do love Marvel, I ama bigger fan of DC, namely because I think they have the stronger character base. Their characters and heroes have more personality and history in my opinion, which is why I believe DC's movies are turning out better more often.
  How ever I also believe a big part of this is the direction. If the director isn't passionate about the movie he is making they turn out like elektra and Daredevil and god forgive us all, Catwoman.

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• Dc And Marvel At The Movies

  Rotefer | 07.24.11 10:10:23 AM

  Um...... Green lantern seems to have disproven that theory. A **** shame that is.

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• Um no, don't think so.

  Zeeguy | 09.29.11 11:49:33 PM

  I have to disagree. I love Marvel, but they are definitely NOT superior to DC in any way. Although Marvel may have a better track record when it comes to movies, DC has proven that it can produce great movies as well (uh, lets not forget Batman Begins or Dark Knight and also Vertigo titles like History of Violence). However, I do agree that many DC movies are not as good as Marvel's, but that's only because DC doesn't have a separate company making the movies for them. Marvel has Marvel Entertainment, which is staffed with people who know their characters extremely well, while DC has no such organ and has to put up with Hollywood producers and writers who really don't know who these characters are.
  
  HOWEVER, while Marvel may have better MOVIES and they have very interesting and colorful characters who are just as good as DC's characters, DC just has better COMICS and better STORIES than Marvel, at least for the moment. Most times I read a DC comic, especially Green Lantern (also Batman and maybe some Superman or JLA), I walk away saying to myself "wow". There are some DC stinkers, but...Infinite Crisis, Blackest Night, GL: Secret Origin, Batman: Year One, Superman: Birthright, All Star Superman etc. Come on, these are all amazing stories.
  
  When I read Marvel on the other hand, I usually walk away thinking "it was really good, great even, but....just not AS good". Don't get me wrong, there are some Marvel stories that do that whole "wow" thing for me too, like.....[wow this is hard]....oh, Civil War? Um, yeah, and....well, Fear Itself looks good. I only read like the first two issues, but I plan on picking it back up soon. Unfortunately for like the past decade or so, Marvel has been plagued by abysmal writing and horrid editorial choices that have completely shot their universe to hell, especially in Spider-Man's titles. I mean, the Clone Saga from the 90s AND Joe Quesada's One More Day??? The latter story was god awful and made me not want to ever pick up another Spider-Man title. Now, if I want to read Spider-Man, I hunt for a paperback or for a few issues from a couple years back that I might have missed before OMD. So, while Marvel may be scoring big at the box-office, not so much at what they were actually founded upon, the comics themselves.
  
  Ok, I might be being too harsh on Marvel, but honestly, I think that for the moment, DC reigns supreme in regards to the actual comics. But...both are good companies and both have good characters. It just depends on how the characters are written. I may prefer DC (only a little), but that doesn't mean I don't (or can't) like Marvel.

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Get Rid of Nolan??!?!?

Get rid of Nolan??? Those Batman movies are the best of all the superhero movies barr-none. He has almost perfected the comic book movie. And has no one ever heard of movie like V for Vendetta, Watchmen (The best comic book story ever), Road to Perdition, History of Violence, Red. They may not be in direct continuity, but those are all fantastic movies and stories published by DC Comics. They may not make the most, but they make some of the best...

Marvel versus DC

I'm a long time Marvel reader (or was). I always preferred Marvel over DC and Warner Brothers cartoons over Disney. That being said, for decades DC had a much stronger track record for movies and TV production. I even thought DC comics were better in overall quality of art and writing. Marvel has only recently begun to out-due DC in movies. It's way to early to declare a victor. Let's enjoy the war.

Yeah...ok DC

Seriously, I have been reading comics since I was a kid, and DC is no where near on par with the Marvel Universe.

Marvel characters feel real, DC characters feel like a 6 year old kid came up with half their ideas. Even their characters names are so unoriginal. Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Catwoman, etc....they are all so lame to me.

The ONLY way I would give DC props on a movie is if they busted out a live action Superman movie, where Doomsday popped in.

But, I'd be WAY more excited if Marvel busted out a flick (like the Avengers), where a beefed up Thanos with Infinity Guantlet popped in! That would make my day!

Sorry, but I'm a sucker for the big overpowered villains....

• DC vs Marvel

  Finnssss | 11.02.10 11:29:02 PM

  I'm not going to lie, I have preferred Marvel over DC since I was old enough to read.
  It really is amazing when you think about it that most of the Marvel characters have been around half as long as a lot of DC characters, are twice as developed.
  After the Smallville JLA/JSA 2 part tie in last season garnered some of the highest ratings for the show ever.
  You would think that DC's would get the message about "smashing" characters together.
  
  To be honest, imo, it quite simply is because DC has never really meshed their characters enough in their comics to make it feasible.
  Marvel has a ton of actual history to go on to make their "smashed" characters come together.
  DC on the other hand would prolly have to make up a whole new line of BS to do the same.

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  • Are u joking?

    Zeeguy | 10.23.11 02:33:33 PM

    OK, you're joking right? Because the statement you just made in your comment is just flat out NOT TRUE. Um, hate to break it to you, but Marvel's comics suck in comparison to DC's. Oh, and the Marvel characters almost NEVER interact with each other.
    
    I love both companies' characters, but I honestly think DC has the more developed, more coherent universe. Marvel is WAY too fragmented. You have the X-Men, Spider-Man, the FF, Daredevil, and the Avengers all fighting their OWN villains, while four of those I just listed are situated in New York City and ALL of the them are in New York State. Its really, really unrealistic that you could cram that many superheroes into ONE CITY/STATE and they almost never interact. The X-Men always fight their villain alone, even if it threatens the entire world, and the rest of the Marvel Universe like never gets involved. And its the same thing vice versa. Its too ridiculous. And more developed??? Every time I ever hear Spider-Man speak, its only about how much his life sucks or how horrible people are to him. That's not developed, that's just whiney. We get it Peter Parker, being a habitually jobless nerd in New York City sucks, get over it.
    
    DC, on the other hand, have a much more interlocking universe, where the characters seem to get along and know each other really well. You constantly have characters guest starring in each other's titles. And, not only that, but all the conflicts that arise between characters are in line with realistic interpretations of character dynamics. Also, the characters don't dwell on one aspect of their lives, like Spider-Man or Iron Man (and Spider-Man and Iron man are two of my favorite characters, so...), but instead realize that there's a time to complain and there's a time to act. The writers at DC know that at a certain point, the heroes have to stop whining about their personal lives and start acting like...heroes.

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Marvel is better then DC in movies

I love DC characters. But DC movie studios doesn't know how to make movies. Sure, Nolan's Batman movies are pretty Decent. But they need to include all DC characters in same universe. Fire Chris Nolan. We need comic driven characters. Marvel is doing the right thing. They are making movie for the fans. DC is making movies for themselves.

Superman

Have Superman fighting giant robots for a good Superman movie.

As far as what "fans want," fans should be careful what they wish for. I could hardly wait for the Star Wars prequels, and now I think I'd rather lived without them.

Most live-action superhero movies (and TV) turn out to be pretty bad, with only a few exceptions. This will never change. So it's good that they are cranking them out because that mean's we'll get a few good more among all the garbage.

Was "Incredible Hulk" all that good? It was just okay, and forgettable the moment I left the theater. The new TV show could be really good.

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unbeliveable can someone please point out a dc comic title that was sucessfull other than batman as far as im concerned the only decent superman movie to come out was 3 and thats only cause richard prior was in it. the only 2 marvel movies i didnt care for were electra and ghost rider (terrible) oh and i wish someone had given ang lee a hulk comic before he created that disaster, dc should stick to what they do well comics and tv seris (loved the flash) and marvel to what its good at better comics and movies

Sour Grapes

Our characters are bigger.

We don't just want to smash them together.

Sounds like a lot of posturing to me. DC fans have stated clearly that we want a Justice League Movie. We want a World's Finest movie. We want it big and packed with stars and action. They tried... and failed. Now they're taking potshots at Marvel for giving the fans what we want.

DC's current approach shows how out of touch they are with what their fans want.

Good movies.

People want good movies. I don't really want Nolan's Batman to have a Superman. DC characters are well-established. If they made a CGI Justice League that was outside the "universe" of Dark Knight, people could still watch it and enjoy it. We've been doing it for decades with all the different shows, cartoons, and movies. Marvel is risking making cookie-cutter movies that have to fit into a certain mold. I'm a fan of Ang Lee's Hulk (could be drastically edited I admit). It was unique and visually unforgettable. But it wouldn't fit into the movie machine Marvel is building. All this being said, I'm really amazed at the business they are making. Even if these movies disappoint, they are bringing the characters to the general masses and setting up the ability to make more movies (and more money), down the line. They'll have my money at the theater. I'm a sucker for the hype.